Vikings and Shrooms

topic posted Tue, September 13, 2005 - 12:25 AM by  Elizabeth
My bf told me that Viking brewed their beer with a little bit of a poisonous mushroom before they went on their raids. That is why they were so crazy.

Hmmm..... this was after we were both wondering why the crazy Vikings turned into mellow, polite Swedes :)
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Elizabeth
Sweden
  • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

    Tue, September 13, 2005 - 6:36 AM
    Hmmm yeah, I read that too. I heard that they just ate a teeny bit before battles tho. The Vikings used to dry out alot of their food for long lasting goodness on a journey. 'Shrooms dry out very easily, so were probably added to the food cargo. The beer brewing aspect would be a cool research project, tho! :)

    Swedes to this day still love to go muchroom picking in the forests, so maybe the Vikings left them with a "special" recipe they are not sharing with the rest of us? *wink*

    Also, mushroom research led to the discovery of LSD, so maybe that could be an explanation to way the Swedes, Norweigians and Danes are now mellow and polite? Well, not all are mellow and polite...but maybe those are the ones that don't include mushrooms on thier diets? :)

    mmmmm mushroom beer! *slurp*
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      Wed, September 14, 2005 - 6:06 AM
      Actually mushrooms were considered as cow food for a very long time. Not until the 20th century did people start using it as food again. But for mixtures and such "magical" doings it was probably used through centuries.

      Pozzo
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        Wed, September 14, 2005 - 6:09 AM
        And before we learned the knowledge of brewing beer we drank mead. Maybe that's why we swedes are nowdays so smooth and friendly. Who can be anything else with honey in their veins.. ;-)
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          Wed, September 14, 2005 - 6:53 AM
          "Who can be anything else with honey in their veins.. ;-)"

          haha! You must be speaking for yourself ! :) I've met some of your "smooth and friendly" Swedes who had nothing but piss and vinegar in thier viens!

          I know you're a honey of a Swede...I think...hahha!
          ( blatant attempt at flirting ...LOL)

          Sig :)
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      Sun, April 15, 2007 - 10:10 AM
      This is an interesting piece of information and would explain why the Scandinavian have become such peaceful souls today.
      However, there is the beserker factor . I am a Canadian and have a lot of Scandinavian blood from a long time ago (both French Normand and Scottish sides) and am quite different from the purer local French population.
      If push come to shove, I will bash anyone's head that really pushes me against the wall if I am right. I noticed that all the French guys simply run away...hi hi!!
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    Re: Vikings and Shrooms

    Wed, September 21, 2005 - 11:01 PM
    wouldn't they have used the hallucinogenic rye ergot?
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      Thu, September 22, 2005 - 7:22 AM
      Oh ...enlighten us Tettra :)

      *S*
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        Re: Vikings and Shrooms

        Thu, September 22, 2005 - 10:46 PM
        Sigrid,

        Rye Ergot:

        www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...CT12.HTM

        the imagery in Breughel's work, for example, is sometimes attributed to having been under the influence of this. crazy imagery, hallucinations. one think W. Europe and Scandinavia DON'T lack is rye. Right?
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          Re: Vikings and Shrooms

          Thu, September 22, 2005 - 10:49 PM

          it contaminated bread. made people sick and crazy and in some instances, produce incredible imagery
          (we think)

          also, a lot of the insane "peasants" depicted in these paintings seem to be ergot-inflicted souls
          • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

            Fri, September 23, 2005 - 7:17 AM
            Tettra,

            Thank you so much, what a very interesting peice! It has a very interesting place as pertaining to major events in the history of the world.

            From the article....

            At the same time, from Scandinavia, a race of people, the Northmen (Vikings) invaded the Holy Roman Empire. With their superior size and fighting ability, and of course the fact that a large population of the Franks had just suffered from ergot poisoning, they easily defeated the Franks who lived along the coastal regions. Before this time, the Vikings had already settled permanently on the northwest coast of France and had already exerted pressure on the Holy Roman Empire with their numerous raids. Because of the constant successful raids in this area, Charles the Third was forced to abdicate the throne of the Holy Roman Empire by 887 and this led to the split of the Holy Roman Empire into two kingdoms. The kingdom of the West Franks became France and the kingdom of the East Franks became Germany. Through it all the Northmen were unaffected by the ergotism because Rye was not their staple food. By 911, the Northmen's hold on the northwest coast of France was complete, and the king of France ceded to them what would become Normandy. The people that settled Normandy adopted the French religion, language and culture, and would eventually become assimilated by France. Today, Normandy is a part of France, but its recognition as a region is still recognized.



            "Without question the Northmen were warriors of superior size and fighting skill, but it is impossible to say how successful their invasion, against the Franks, would have been if the wave of ergotism had not occurred at this same time. However, it is difficult to imagine that with much of the Frank population sick with ergotism that they were able to put up much of a fight regardless of the fighting prowess of the invading army."

            Also it was mentioned in the Salem, Massachusetts witch hunts.

            Thanks for sharing the info!
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              Re: Vikings and Shrooms

              Mon, October 10, 2005 - 11:47 AM
              FYI, I think that the specific mushroom that we're talking about is more likely to be Amanita Muscaria, not the typical (at least in North America) Psilocybe Cubensis.

              Amanitas are supposed to be quite potent, and Lapp shamans still use them.
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              Re: Vikings and Shrooms

              Thu, April 20, 2006 - 9:40 AM
              I dont believe in the shroom theory. Why would the drugs make them better warriors? The result from eating `` flugsvamp´´ ( fleaswamp in English, is a halucionogenic state, and a loss of coardination. No one would be fit for battle eating that, they would rather get themselfes killed more easily. It,s also known to make you womit and it damages the liver. I do not know how the fleaswamp would react mixed with alcohol but it might have had the same effect as rohypnol. My own theory with the wikings comes from a schamanic wievpoint. The battlerage reffered too in this subject is probably based from the lore about the berserkers, bearskin warriors. They vere warrior shamans, and compared with modern schamanism the state of rage is accuiered throught a trance state. Most likely achieved by using a shamanic drum. The berserkers wore the skin of a bear/ wolf ( ulfheobir) /fox or warthog. Also as large cats that were dvelling in scandinavia and europe at this time. By dressing in this, and also by painting their face black, they believed that the animals spirit would possess them and give them the same abilities as the animal has in a battle.
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    Sat, October 15, 2005 - 8:34 AM
    If you dry common Red Toadstool(the poisonous ones with white spots)
    for at least three or four months most of the poison disappears.
    Then boil them two times and throw the water away each time(important!)
    After doing that just cook them as usual.
    When I was a little kid in rural Medelpad(Norrland,Sweden) we used
    to do just that-very good! But dont try it because of possible residual
    toxin(muscarine). Can cause kidney failure!
    We got it from our Finnish Gramps.
    The Wikings mixed dried Toadstool with Mead or Beer to get into a
    Berserker(means Bear-shirt) rage before Holmgång fights; that was:
    placing two or more fighters on a very small island to fight it out with
    or without swords, just for the hell of it or to resolve differences(political
    or personal). Last man standing was winner, or last living!
    The mushroom additive, in reality, just don't work that way!
    It was just hype, and the Alcohol and Adrenalin kick that did the job.
    Nowadays We just skip the Mushroom and do the Barney anyway.
    For fun....

    • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

      Sun, October 16, 2005 - 8:30 AM
      Hej Stig,

      Welcome!

      The mushroom drying and boiling sounds like a ton of work, and not really worth the risk! I don't think the Modern day Berserker would have the time to do it! :) The mead sounds yummy, but a good Merlot will have to surfice for the time being.

      Thanks for the information tho. I find anthing the Vikings did very interesting and have been reading about them, and the myths since I was in High School ( many moons ago *wink*).

      Are you from Norrland? Still live there?

      Sigrid

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        Re: Vikings and Shrooms

        Thu, April 20, 2006 - 9:45 AM
        I dont believe in the shroom theory. Why would the drugs make them better warriors? The result from eating `` flugsvamp´´ ( toadstool in English, is a halucionogenic state, and a loss of coardination. No one would be fit for battle eating that, they would rather get themselfes killed more easily. It,s also known to make you womit and it damages the liver. I do not know how the toad stool would react mixed with alcohol but it might have had the same effect as rohypnol. My own theory with the wikings comes from a schamanic wievpoint. The battlerage reffered too in this subject is probably based from the lore about the berserkers, bearskin warriors. They vere warrior shamans, sons of Odin, and compared with modern schamanism the state of rage is accuiered throught a trance state. Most likely achieved by using a shamanic drum. The berserkers wore the skin of a bear/ wolf ( ulfheobir) /fox or warthog. Also as large cats that were dvelling in scandinavia and europe at this time. By dressing in this, and also by painting their face in black, they believed that the animals spirit would possess them and they would gain the animals abilities. Berserkers schamanism is still present in the world in native Indian society today.
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    Sun, December 17, 2006 - 1:42 PM
    been to some viking ritual places, and seen huge amounts of amanita muscaria growing there.. it triggers your fantasy quite much :) i will take some pictures of those places and some runestones nearby, and post it ..
    peace
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      Fri, April 6, 2007 - 1:22 PM
      That,s a new concept of getting `` stoned´´ ;)
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        Re: Vikings and Shrooms

        Tue, May 1, 2007 - 1:15 PM
        And what about vikings and shrimps?
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          Fri, February 8, 2008 - 9:03 PM
          There are lot of myths and missconceptions about The Fly Agraic Mushroom.

          Vikings didn't have much to do with this plant teacher. However the Native Shamans belong to the native people of (the samer or Samerna) Reindeer/nomad culture in the mountains of sweden have a long and wounderfull tradtion and religous use of the Amanitia Mushroom. As do many Siberian shamans.

          The fly agraic mushroom is also belived by some to be part of the old legendary brew of Soma.

          The more you know: www.erowid.org/plants/ama...nitas.shtml
  • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 5:25 AM
    I'm sorry to say that there are no evidences so far that vikings used poisonous mushrooms in that way. It is a misunderstanding that came from Linnaeus disciple Samuel Ödmann in 1784. He heared that some shamans used amanita and assumed that the vikings did the same.
    For some reason that thought has lived on.
    Maybe we always were mellow and polite :P
    • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 3:24 PM
      I agree with you but I think that he was refering to the berserkers as the users of Amanita muscaria. Not necessary the whole viking community. Berserkers were a specific gruop of norse warriors who were commonly understood to have fought in an uncontrollable rage or trance of fury; the berserkergang.
      I belive that the vikings among all people in europe ate libertycaps since the beginning of mankind. Lots of scandinavian folklore sugest such a tradition.
      • Re: Vikings and Shrooms

        Thu, February 28, 2008 - 10:20 AM
        Yes, it was about the berserkers. But there are no sources (atleast according to the archaeologists i got in contact with during my year with swedish/scandinavian iron age archaeology) that there actually was any use of any kind of drug amongst berserkers. Do enlighten me if i have missed some good sources.

        What scandinavian folklore suggests the use of libertycaps?

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